Santali Wikipedia: Someone deleted main page[ᱯᱷᱮᱰᱟᱛ ᱥᱟᱯᱲᱟᱣ]
It's disappointing, someone deleted our main page from incubator (https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/sat/Main_Page). We created our pages and contents in roman/latin script.But now all the contents are disappeared.How the admins made it? Not only from incubator but also from the translate wiki same things are done! It's notable that Santali language have five written scripts (according to Wikipedia) and roman/latin script is one of them. We need an urgent solution. Please help --Samar88 (talk) 15:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Dear @Samar88, I can understand your concern but the greater concern should be to promote appropriate message to the world. For a single language multiple scripts are never welcomed and never healthy for integrity of its language and literature. Lets correct you that santali language never had five scripts of writing. When the Ol Chiki (ᱚᱞ ᱪᱤᱠᱤ)Script was not spread properly santali language was written with the local vernacular script. This time has gone. After the invention of Ol Chiki the own script of Santali language which is widely accepted and the Indian government has recognized the script where the majority Santal people are living and who have already accepted the Ol chiki as their own script. Education has been provided through ol chiki script in school, college and universities in India as well. At the various level of Government promotional work are going on in OL Chiki. However, Indian and Bangladeshi Santals are working together with this project (wp/sat) in the incubator for several months. They all are agreed to use the ol chiki script. Therefore it will be not fair to remain isolated and stay away from this mainstream ol chiki. For a single language using two home page in incubator is also not rational. Those who are well conversed with the roman and latin they can access the information in English. If we are truely concerned about larger section of santali people we must used Ol Chiki in Wiki. Let's join hand let's united and let's disseminate the information and knowledge which are true, which are welfare for the santali people. Sincerely we hope you will support us to create Santali Wikipedia. Ramjit Tudu (talk) 06:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Ramjit Tudu, Samar88: I wish to point out that projects (and tests) can and do support multiple writing systems. Ramjit Tudu, I must say that I get very nervous when editors say things like "the greater concern should be to promote [the] appropriate message to the world". After all, who decides what the appropriate message is?
- Now, Samar88 had been gone for a long while, and I think the current test user community seems to be more interested in writing in Ol Chiki. Still, on my reading of the article at English Wikipedia, it seems that at minimum a large group of speakers uses Eastern Nagari script. So what happens to them?
- WMF's goals are to make information accessible to everyone. If multiple scripts make information more accessible, then multiple scripts are desirable. (WMF's goals are not to provide you a platform "to promote [the] appropriate message to the world".) Accordingly:
- I'd really like to see a full discussion of this topic conducted by this community, so that the community itself can decide.
- Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) (Incubator administrator) 23:19, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Dear : @StevenJ81, I welcome and appreciate your suggestion and as a wiki editor I am always with the aim objective and spirit of wikipedia. Today across the globe wikipedia has been a great source of knowledge and information. The accuracy of information has been the reason for this wide acceptance and credibility. I may be incorrect and whatever information i share may not be appropriate but my sincere effort will be towards disseminate the best whatever I knows. so long as script is concerned it is welcomed if information will be well accessible to greater section of the community, if santals of Bangladesh has greater acceptance of eastern nagari for santali language then no issue. Let the santal community of bangladesh come up with eastern nagri for santal language. As we have some good numbers of editors from bangladesh santali language in olchiki script. Recently an International Santali conference was held at Assam ( India) and an International Santali Youth Writers Conference was held at Jharkhand (India) where intellectuals and writers from India, Nepal, Bangladesh had participated and presented their writings in OLCHIKI. So it is well understood that OLCHIKI has good acceptance in both BANGLADESH and NEPAL. Till now indigenous people has been not good education one of the reason is they had no own script, now a days kids are showing good interest in education because they have their own script and they find belongingness in the script. If in spite of that santal community of bangladesh are comfortable in eastern nagari and information is well accessible in that script then there is no issue but some opinion and comment must come from Bangladesh. Ramjit Tudu (talk) 07:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Dear all, I agree with Ramjit Tudu, Santals in Bangladesh were in a transition phase to accept which script. Basically, Eastern Nagri is used for Bengali Language and Bengali People similarly roman is a universal script for the English language spoken in different countries. Amidst of all the Santals in Bangladesh were using both of this scripts for communication as no alternative were available. This acceptance was not because of choice but of compulsion. Now as the Santals in Bangladesh are getting aware of OLCHIKI they have accepted and loved it. Good numbers of writers in Olchiki are also coming out. So information will also be well accessed in OLCHIKI. When we can share information in one script for a single language why to adopt multiple scripts. Those who are interested in multiple scripts for a single language they must put a clear view what makes them necessary for that.--Subasmurmu (talk) 06:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
- I do understand what you are trying to tell me. From Wikimedia's perspective, though, the question is not simply whether OLCHIKI is becoming more accepted in the community. And it is not simply whether conferences are now encouraging use of OLCHIKI. It is:
- Do most Santals (at home and expatriates) use OLCHIKI?
- Are there substantial groups of speakers who are more comfortable with (a) Eastern Nagari? (b) Latin alphabet?
- Is most current writing now in OLCHIKI, or is much current writing still in other scripts?
- Understand: no one wants to require any given contributor to this test to write in a script different from OLCHIKI. However, at the moment, what I want is an agreement that no one is going to automatically delete content that is written properly in a different script. If there are reasonably big groups of Santals that are more comfortable in other scripts, they need to be able to use this Wikipedia, too. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Dear : @StevenJ81, I am welcoming contributors to this project and agree with your point that no deletion of any of the appropriate writes up for this project. I m also happy to give the information regarding your questions which you have raised are as follows:
- Most of the Santals are accepting Olchiki and using it in their daily communication like Facebook, email, WhatsApp etc. In addition, now the Olchiki is used in the Santali movies, Songs and Documentaries.
- Once there were people using not only Eastern Nagari or Latin alphabet but also Odia, Dev Nagri, Asomiya and Bengali scripts for writing santali , even those Santals who were brought up and grown up in south India were used to write in south Indian script for their communication. However, with the increase in popularity of Olchiki among Santals, Santal people started to love it and used the script. Way the every single letter has been named it created a strong belongingness among santals and became an identity of Santal people which further leads them towards unity.
- Present days most writings are found in Olchiki script. A huge number of Santali literature is being published alongside the textbooks for primary education even college and university courses are designed in Olchiki script. In a way it could be said that govt has taken granted olchiki script is for the santali language and the rest script were used for the short term purpose. Now almost all santals feels proud for their own script they dont have to relie on scripts devised for other languages. Thank you for your guidance and suggestions. Ramjit Tudu (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to congratulate the Santali community of Bangladesh and India for making this possible. You guys worked hard over the years on this. Best of luck.--NahidSultan (ᱜᱟᱞᱢᱟᱨᱟᱣ) 21:44, 6 ᱟᱜᱚᱥᱴ 2018 (UTC)
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